MESBG – Hobbit-sized sculpts can cause headaches

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    1. I generally just use strong readers, and I’ve tried magnifier “glasses” and they defiantly take getting used to. It’s like trying to poke something in a glass of water, the bit just doesn’t;t seem to be where your brain things it should be!!

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      1. That is the perfect description of how it feels! If I could go back, I think I would go for some glasses of some kind instead of a desk lens. The lens isn’t as easy to work with as glasses would be once you get used to wearing them.

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  1. Excellent job on both those hobbits! I’ve painted a few in my time and I know how tiny they are, so to get the quality you have there is excellent work.
    I’ve added a magnifier with a light to my painting table recently, and have found it to be quite useful but it does take time to learn how to aim as you said.
    For the bubbles it always worth asking Forgeworld for a replacement, the worst they can say is no. The bubble on the cloak should be relatively easy to fix but a bubble on the face is pretty tough.

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    1. Thank you, mate! 🙂 I’m impatient with getting good results so I could see myself not using the magnifier much unless I have to but we’ll see. I can definitely see needing practice with it now though.

      I should have asked FW about a replacement before I primed them. I realize that now. I was able to fix the bubble on the nose okay and just botched painting the face so I’m hoping to avoid having to re-buy these minis to try painting them for a second time. We’ll see what happens when I fix and paint the other one in the nearish future.

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  2. Great work as usual mate! I am sure Bret will be pleased and Cotton looks spot on.

    Those resin bubbles are concerning given Forge World prices. Greenstuff is easy enough for even me to use so I a sure you will have no problem but that nose may be tricky.

    I am glad to hear you enjoyed Hellboy. This hobby is awkward in asking for a lot of time, money and effort up front before it really pays off with that sweet, sweet enjoyment in a fun gaming experience.

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    1. Thanks, mate! I think the bubbles are pretty common with resin so there’s always a chance you’ll get some when you buy FW. With that said, I’ll see what I can do with green stuff to try and fix the one mini. If nothing else, it will be a learning experience for me, I suppose.

      You certainly take a bit of a gamble when you start on a new game. Its best to go slow and play the game early on to make sure you really like it. I haven’t been seriously burned by spending a lot of money on something only to not like it yet but it is very easy to see that happening at the same time.

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      1. I meant to say….. I tried a magnifier stand and found it too annoying to relearn how to handle the brush as you mention. Mrs. GG still uses her magnifier but I switched to a magnifying headset visor. That was much easier to get used to. I very much miss the 20/20 vision I used to have.

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      2. I’m glad to hear it isn’t just me who has had trouble adjusting to a lens. I think a headset would be better overall. Unfortunately, it is a lesson I’ve learned after buying the stand but that’s the way it goes sometimes…

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  3. Great work on these – especially Cotton! I think he’ll look great on the diorama. The thing about Forge World is that they’ve always been pretty notorious for quality control issues – and as someone with a decent chunk of their stuff (that I need to paint one day) I can concur that their QC very much has the words “good enough” as part of their mantra.
    Good to hear that you had fun with HB – and making mistakes in your first several games of a new system or game is pretty much always a thing, so just keep treating them like a learnng experience and once you’ve mastered the system a bit more, even things like the missed mechanics should be less likely to curbstomp you as they do when you’re new to the game.

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    1. Thanks, mate! I didn’t know that about Forge World and have mostly heard compliments, if not outright drooling over FW products. Maybe this is a situation where if you spend big money on it, you’re more inclined to like it or look past the faults?

      I couldn’t agree with you more on making mistakes. I’ll probably focus on playing Hellboy for the near future so I should have opportunities to nail down the rules and see just how much I like the game. At some point I’ll write a review up too but I need to get some more games in before I can do that.

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    1. Cheers, mate! I would say that the magnifier didn’t slow me down much. It took more time than expected because of some of the techniques I used on the leather, in particular. The magnifier did help me get the eyes right on Farmer Cotton which I might have not caught until I took pictures (and then I would have been annoyed because at that point, I would have thought I was done with the mini at that point). So if you’re thinking about trying out a magnifier, I’d say give it a go!

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  4. I like the hobbits! 🙂 I’d probably be quite at home painting them given that most of my figures are 20mm scale! As far as the bubble in the cloaks concerned I’d superglue a short length of plastic rod into the hole to use as a former to support greenstuff added around it. I’d probably give up with the damaged face or ask for a replacement since it can’t be repaired. Glad you enjoyed the Hellboy game!

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    1. I’m glad to hear it! 🙂 I think you probably would be right at home scale-wise with hobbits. Many of us who paint to game are used to at least 28mm or higher, I would guess. I appreciate the advice on fixing the resin bubbles as well. I’ll certainly take any help I get with this problem! 😀

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    1. Cheers, Dave. The metal sculpts aren’t too expensive in the US anyway. The hobbit metal sculpts lack detail unfortunately and the FW models really improve upon that so that is the main reason I went with the more expensive resin option. Having said that, I certainly didn’t anticipate the issues that I have run into and it makes you think twice!

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  5. Great work on the Hobbits Jeff, when dealing with smaller models, sometimes less is more, as the amount of paint you would put on a normal size face, can make a smaller one look muddled.
    As for the holes, the one in the cloak is an easy fix, two ways you can go, first fill the hole with green, and shape while wet, making sure to blend into the existing area, second would be to fill larger than needed, and then shape with a scalpel and emery board when fully dry, with the nose I would definitely go for option one.
    Sounds like the game has a lot of merit, and good that you enjoyed it, don’t worry too much on the rules, as your still learning the system, and before you know it, you’ll barely have to look at a rulebook.

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    1. Thank you, Dave and I completely agree. Its not hard to mess up a face on a newish GW sculpt. I’ve run into that a couple of times now and it is very frustrating.

      I appreciate the advice and will certainly follow what you’ve laid out here. I reckon looking around on Youtube to see how people do this won’t hurt me any either. Luckily for me, I already have some Green Stuff coming so at least I’m one step closer to fixing this problem in that regard.

      Hellboy is definitely a solid game if you like the franchise. I don’t know that it is the best game of its type but its certainly well worth it, if you’re a fan which is the most important thing.

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  6. Welcome to the world of dioramas! Unfortunately some aspects of a build can get dull and boring but the time invested usually pays off in the end as I’m sure you are all to aware of. Nice work on the figures but I understand your frustration with the resin bubbles. Faced with similar problems I tend to mask the flaw with weathering, mud being an obvious choice, but appreciate this might not be an option for whatever you have in mind. As for the use of magnification I have always used a head visor with 10x magnification. Yes it took a little while to get used to but my rationale is simple, if it looks good that close up then to the naked eye it will look perfect! 🙂

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    1. At the moment, I wish this was a bit more dull, mate! 🙂 I think the only way to fix the problems is to do a bit of sculpting which is something I need to learn anyway to be better at dioramas. 10x magnification!? Wow! I think what I got is 2.25x or something close to that so it really doesn’t change the view too much. I can believe that took a while to get used to, especially considering how I’ve struggled with a much smaller amount of magnification!

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  7. Lovely job on the ‘Hobbitses.’ Farmer Cotton looks great, and I like what you’ve done with his pitchfork.
    Hellboy sounded good and I feel I missed out when I had the chance of picking it up cheap some time ago. At the moment, though, I’m trying to steer clear of anything containing miniatures – I don’t want to add anymore to my ever-increasing backlog😉
    Looking forward to hearing about further plays🙂

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    1. Thank you, Justin! The pitchfork was the trickiest bit to get right and a friend helped me get it looking decent so I’m feel lucky there.

      Hellboy seems like a great game if you don’t already own any of the Warhammer Quest games GW has put out. I get the impression that Hellboy has the same DNA as those and while I’m sure it has a few unique things, I’d imagine you can get a fairly similar experience from one of those, if you want. I hear you on the backlog. I’m absolutely at my limit and can’t take on any new games right now. I may be in a retirement home before I finish everything I’ve started already 😉

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  8. My first thought when looking at the hobbit you are so kindly giving me is the Simpsons meme of old man shaking fist at cloulds!😂 Then I realized his hand was open vs a fist. Trying to get me to go down a hobbit hole? That is a dangerous one that I have avoided (until now)

    I tried a magnifying glass for awhile but it seemed to get in the way more than helped. I tend to take pictures along the way to see how my painting is going, especially when doing faces and eyes.

    It’s easy to miss rules when trying a new game by yourself, glad that Hellboy worked out.

    I played Arkham Horror (revised edition) with my niece and nephew a couple of weekends ago. My niece had played it several times so she kept us straight on how the turns went, etc. We managed to kill the Great Old One in the end due to fortuitous die roles. It was quite fun, my niece got stuck in the hospital for several turns and it took me longer than it should have to close a gate but an enjoyable game.

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    1. Forgot to add, it wouldn’t hurt to ask Forgeworld, especially for the pocket on the nose. It helped Grumpy Gnome to ask about his problem (which you suggested). You can always claim you have thousands (ok, hundreds, ok tens) of followers on Instagram and your blog so you need a clean figure. The worse that can happen is that you show up on r/ChoosingBeggers on Reddit.

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      1. Haha, if I end up on Reddit, I wouldn’t know it because I rarely visit it! I already primed the minis and I fixed the one with a hole in his nose surprisingly. I may send that one to you because I can’t get the face painted to a standard I like. It’d be a good tabletop piece though and you’d have a bit of it painted for you already. I’ve got some green stuff coming so I’m going to try and fix the other hobbit and get him painted up fairly soon.

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    2. Haha, no, he seems to be a friendly hobbit even if my version somehow has more in common with Christian Bale’s character in American Psycho, which is a movie I don’t care for as it turns out. I can certainly try to tempt you to visit the Shire anyway 🙂

      Yeah, the magnifying glass clutters up your hobby space and I can’t get used to it so it probably is going to end up being an ill-advised purchase on my part. At least I can check my work with it, I suppose.

      Do you mean Arkham Horror the card game or Arkham Horror with a really big board and lots of cards? It sounds to me like you’re talking about the board game which is a classic. Its a great game to play with 3-4 people, especially. I don’t have a copy anymore but I would definitely say its a classic and well worth playing!

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      1. Arkham Horror the board game that we were lucky enough to have a table big enough to play on. My niece did a great job of reading everything in a tone that set the mood for the game.

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  9. OMG I love the hobbit farmer with the cutesy wutsey whittle grey furry on his feeties.

    What I don’t love are sir bubbles on castings. Especially bc Forgeworld charges a premium for their products and need to produce quality. I’d be pissed. I’m pissed for you. If I wanted to mess about with that stuff I would go cheap.

    Glad you liked HellBoy in the end. It’d be a shame to drop that much money and effort to be disappointed. It’s the risk we take of course. I dropped $500 to start the AWI but at least the miniatures can be used in a variety of rules. HellBoy miniatures are kinda specific. 😀😀

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  10. The Hobbits look great, but those holes are ridiculous given FW’s prices. “Quality control” seems to be a banned phrase at Citadel HQ, along with “value for money” LOL!

    I’ve got a cheap ($17) magnifying visor that I bought off Amazon about three years ago. It’s still going strong, although the LEDs are a bit temperamental and it’s on its second elastic headband 🙂

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    1. Forge World is the worst part of GW’s catalog to have issues because it is noticeably more expensive than their plastic kits but alas, that is what I’ve run into here unfortunately.

      I saw those visors which are still about that price and I thought, nah, it won’t fit very well or be comfortable so I went with a more expensive option. The egg is on my face now since I don’t like it and wish I had gotten the visor instead. You live and learn!

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  11. ForgeWorld *sigh*. They are the only ones who produce most of the GW Star Players for Blood Bowl and/or some special packs. I’ve had a few FW minis that were pretty sweet, but a lot of garbage too. I feel like I’d be better off throwing away my money on lottery tickets! The Hobbit’s face looks a little weird up close, mostly because of the stark contrast in flesh tones. At a normal distance, I imagine he looks great though. I would probably maybe try to soften the contrast between layers, but that would only be if it still looks weird from about a foot away as I’m painting for gaming. For magnifying, I use a pair of Reading Glasses. You can get them in magnifications of 1.5x on up. I think I usually use 2x and if I need even more detail work will pull out a pair of 3x. The nice is that they are light, comfortable, and cheap. I’ve tried painting under a standalone magnifying lens, wasn’t crazy about it. Also tried the headlamp things, not crazy about those either. Though most of them sport a light, which would be handy sometimes.

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    1. It is similar with LOTR. If you want certain miniatures, you have to get them from FW. The contrast did come out to strong on the hobbit and I used the wrong shades as well which didn’t help. There are better ways to paint a face than use Reikland Fleshshade as it turns out. I’ll have to give reading glasses a try. That would be comfortable to wear and should be easier to get used to. Thanks for the suggestion!

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      1. Ah, that’s too bad for LotR. I actually use Reikland still. I just use different flesh paints than GW’s. Though you seem to have them down pat better than me. Most days I’m using Reaper paints for flesh now. Though next month I’m hoping to pick up some flesh pains from AK’s Figure line.

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      2. Reikland looks good if you want to give the face a single pass and want the shadows to have a reddish look. I’m finding using pink and a bit of purple really provides lifelike results. Perhaps there is something along with Reikland that can make it work better. I’ll have to experiment more to be able to say for sure.

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      3. Oh yea, purple shadows can be awesome. I haven’t tried adding in a bit of pink though. That would be interesting. I mainly like the way that Reikland lines and the color matches most lighter skin tones.

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    1. Cheers, mate! I am learning that about FW. If I had known that they’re inconsistent going in, I might not be as disappointed by the quality as I am. I guess that is one of the pluses of us sharing our opinions and experiences here in the blogging community as well.

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