I’ll start with the nice part first and then things will unfortunately be a bit more negative than I usually like to be. I should also mention that this is going to be a longer update than usual too. The pangolin is finished and it has turned out quite nicely. The main thing I had to work on were the face and claws. Truthfully, the claws were a bit of a challenge because they’re black like the body of this species of pangolin so I decided to alter their color in the name of visual interest. I am most happy with how the face turned out as I tried some stippling to give the impression of hair or very short fur. Being that the mini is so big, it looks quite convincing or at least I think so. The icing on the cake was some XXL grass tufts (they’re actually called that and it isn’t a cheeky name I’m giving them) from Green Stuff World that is 22mm tall. They were the biggest I could find and while probably not entirely in-scale, I think they look pretty good all things considered. Here’s a look at the pangolin.
I know I’ve said this thing is big and here is a size comparison. First is with Minerva, a 75mm scale mini and then Nuka Girl from Fallout which is 32mm.
As I mentioned a while back, this is a gift for my Dad, who is turning 70 in a couple of weeks. One thing that my Dad has always cared about is protecting the environment and the animals that live on our planet. A few years ago, he became invested in the plight of the pangolins which is pretty sad, if you don’t know. Traditional Asian medicine decided that pangolin scales can cure something. If I sound dismissive, its cause I am. This is pure superstition and bunk. Pangolin scales are made out of the same thing as our fingernails and have zero medicinal value. Unfortunately, this interest has caused pangolins to become the most heavily poached animal in the last ten or so years. The Asian species have been hit hard by this and are endangered as a result. African species are suffering too, especially as people with lower economic means turn to poaching to try and feed their families. What makes this so sad is that pangolins are not only an innocent animal that are being slaughtered by humans but they are a very valuable pest control. Their diet consists solely of ants and termites. Two things we don’t want to have too many of. Hopefully he will like this gift and I’m quite proud of it in the end. I also would like to give special thanks to Dave Stone for sculpting this for me. If nothing else, this gift is one of a kind and who doesn’t like that?
With that out of the way, I have a lot to say about my experience about MMSI this year and even a quick discussion of Golden Demon, if you can believe it. I thank you in advance for reading all of this navel gazing. Its the kind of thing I generally don’t do on this website but there is something about competition painting that leads to a lot of introspective. In that sense, I’m walking down a well-trodden path and its helpful to think “out loud” about all this to try and process it too.
To cut to the chase, I earned a silver medal this year instead of gold, which wasn’t entirely shocking but it was disappointing. As a reminder, the way the medals work at MMSI is not like Golden Demon or the Olympics. At this year’s show, there were 20-30 people who won gold, 20-30 who won silver, and 15-20 who got bronze. This means that everyone gets a medal essentially and I finished in the middle of the pack this year. For me, it isn’t about competing against other people, its more that there is a certain standard I want to achieve at MMSI and that’s gold.
To be clear, I’m not disappointed in the judges, who do the job as volunteers, or their decision about what I painted. I completely accept that. I’m disappointed to go from gold to silver naturally and that I didn’t bring my best work to the show this year. I exhibited Minerva and my old A Bounder’s Duty diorama from 2022 because I didn’t have anything else to show. While I’m proud of Minerva as she is the first 75mm miniature I have painted, I made some mistakes and there are parts of the mini that aren’t as good as I would like. I thought she had a chance still at gold but I was wrong as it turns out.
I think the lesson I learned this year is that I need to bring higher quality work to earn gold in the future and that I need to improve my skills with larger scale minis which is not that surprising. I’ve only painted one successfully and they are a bit different than 28/32mm. In hindsight, I wish that I would have taken this year off and waited until next year’s show when I almost definitely would have had more pieces to show and they would have been higher quality as well. I won’t make this mistake again.
Disappointment and hard lessons are certainly a potential outcome with competition painting but for me, the worst part wasn’t winning silver, it was actually having to walk up and accept the medal and then watch all of the gold winners get their awards. It was embarrassing, humbling, and I had to try and hide my feelings to be the best sport possible. Hopefully this doesn’t sound too salty but I’m sure it does, it was annoying watching some people get repeat gold medals when they basically painted the same style of mini and subject matter as last year. This is a shortcut that people take in creative endeavors to avoid disappointment but they are short changing themselves in the end. I could easily have painted another Stormcast in a similar fashion to the Knight-Adjudicator and quite possibly collected another gold but I want to keep pushing and improving and trying new things so I didn’t. In a small way, I do feel a bit “punished” for trying something new like a larger scale but again, I certainly accept that Minerva wasn’t gold quality and I didn’t give myself a great chance to win gold by only bringing one higher quality miniature either. Tough lessons were learned this year and I’ve been humbled. In other words, I had little choice but to take this one on the chin.
I don’t think its a coincidence that I painted the best miniature of my career thus far, the Knight-Adjudicator (pictured above) after failing to get any recognition at Golden Demon so hopefully I can turn this disappointment into something better. The best revenge is often to better yourself. Its certainly fair to say that after earning gold, I’ve been a bit more complacent in my display painting. My confidence isn’t as high after screwing up two busts as well. So I’m going to try and improve and get my swagger back because rightfully or wrongfully, I know I’m a gold-level painter at MMSI and I don’t accept the silver award as any kind of moral victory.
I would also like to add that somehow none of my work made it into the four galleries that they posted online which was hurtful. To my knowledge, they try to show off everyone’s work and it has nothing to do with just showing all the gold winners for example so I have no idea why my pieces were skipped over. My reaction to that could best be summarized as the following meme…
If you want to see the Fantasy entries, including mine, check out the following video on Youtube. I’ve linked directly to where mine is shown so you don’t have to scroll through and find it.
In terms of attending the show, I went in with the intent of really making the most of it and kind of failed in that endeavor through no fault of my own. To be blunt, the sheen came off the show a bit this year and I observed some less pleasant things compared to last year. These thoughts aren’t going to be in any particular order but hopefully they’re still interesting and coherent.
I don’t know if any of you might agree with this but when you’re introverted, you tend to be a decent listener because you have the time and space to hear people around you when others are slapping their gums. I happened to overhear two talented painters talking badly about an even bigger named painter. I couldn’t tell if the conversation was in actual jest or if it was serious but it surprised to me to hear it at this show which has more positive vibes than Golden Demon, in my limited experience. Unfortunately, Jealousy is the bane of artists and it seems to be everywhere unfortunately.
I tried to do some shopping at the show and while I looked around and was eager to buy something, I walked away with nothing. There just wasn’t anything that grabbed me which surprised me. I almost bought the Samurai bust pictured above from Dolman miniatures but I did some research online to see what it looks like painted and couldn’t find any examples which gave me a little trepidation. I also stumbled across an exchange amongst historical painters which really put me off. And let me say that this is the one thing that I think historical wargamers and display painters do that is toxic. Why are some people in that community obsessed with correcting ANY historical inaccuracy? I understand you want to capture the subject matter faithfully and that you’ve done your research into a given subject, but with this samurai helmet, people were upset about the chin straps for it and basically felt that it ruined the entire miniature. I can respect that to some degree and certainly don’t buy it if you don’t like it but the way these people come across is that they have to be the smartest person in the room and that if anything on a miniature is wrong then it has no redeeming qualities. I unfortunately work with people who act like this with things related to our job and sadly, they’re so unpleasant that most people don’t want to be around them. I feel like this attitude in some historical painters is only going to scare people away from their hobby that they profess to love. It put me off buying this one which you can certainly argue that I should not let happen but the reality is that there are so many other miniatures out there I’d gladly paint that there’s no point in spending hours and hours painting something that someone else is going to dismiss or downplay just because the sculpt has a minor inaccuracy.
Another thing that’s kind of odd about MMSI is that while there is a good feeling about the show overall, its funny how segregated the historical and fantasy painters are at the award show. It seems like the historical painters all hang out together and know each other well. They’re also mostly older than me and are baby boomers or older. Whereas the fantasy painters don’t really seem to know each other well and don’t really talk to the historical people that much either. For me anyway, I felt like the show was a bit lonelier this year than last year and I didn’t really talk to anybody at the show and nobody talked to me which was a small disappointment. I’m not important in the painting scene and I don’t want or expect to be treated as such but I’m always open to talking about the hobby with other people, if they’re also interested but it just didn’t happen this time around.
That wraps up my lengthy thoughts on MMSI. I did want to mention another Golden Demon has happened, this time in Europe and there has been some grumbling about the judging yet again. A Youtuber named Zumitko had a meltdown in a recent video and made himself look bad by saying the judging is biased against him essentially. Part of his argument is that he spent 500 hours on his entry and should have gotten a higher place, mostly on the basis that he put the necessary time in and should be rewarded for it. While I strongly disagree with him that spending a certain amount of time on an entry for a painting contest will guarantee any success (because it won’t), his criticism of the judging being biased against him is wrong too.
The real problem is that Golden Demon is a marketing event for Games Workshop and that their system of judging is so stringent that if a painter makes even a mistake or two, they won’t finish at the top for most categories. The people who win Golden Demon basically make competing in the contest their primary hobby and spend hundreds of hours on their entries. Personally, I think this is a risky affair considering only three people in a category get a trophy but its one that Games Workshop entices people to join all the same. My criticism of Golden Demon remains the same. Its good for Games Workshop and bad for the hobby. By all means, enter in the competition if you want to or if you enjoy it but in my opinion, the only entity that really comes out ahead is Games Workshop and each year the competition chews people up and spits them out. Zumitko’s rant is meritless but when you see people lose their minds, throw temper tantrums, etc., it is because GW’s archaic award system, harsh method of judging, and the hyper competitive atmosphere creates bad feelings amongst some people who enter. I don’t think the judging is biased so much as untransparent enough some people lose their mind in the name of winning a trophy. The smart people or maybe just the ones with more self-control, stop entering in Golden Demon before they have a public meltdown that makes themselves look bad. You can’t ever forget that the hobby is just applying paint on a miniature in a way that is pleasing to us and that is why I wanted to share my thoughts on this as a sort of counter point to this year’s MMSI.
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I had done some research into the pangolins several posts before as I had really hadn’t heard about them before, as you stated, what a sad and pointless abuse of a animal.
I didn’t realize how big your project was until you posted the comparisons today, I don’t think that would even fit on my painting table! Your dad will be very proud to have that as a gift and the effort you put into it!
Your resolve to try something new and improve on untested methods outweigh any results in the competition, I always felt the personal best was the biggest award in any sporting competition like swimming.
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That means a lot to hear that you got interested in them because of this project. Its sad but because pangolins are only in two zoos in the US currently, from what I can tell, not that many people know of them. I hope that changes and their situation improves rapidly.
The pangolin is so big, I couldn’t use my wet palette and I had to actually set the thing on my lap to paint it. At first I was struggling with how to hold it but as time when on, I got better at it fortunately.
And thank you for the kind words! I figure trying new things is the best way to keep the hobby interesting and there’s always more to learn. That is what keeps me around as much as anything I’d say.
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Good thing you were finished and not painting it on your lap at the end of yesterday’s game 😄
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Haha, that was certainly a game to remember, but for all the wrong reasons!
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An outstanding job mate and I’m 1000% certain your dad will love it. That is terribly sad about this poor little creature
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Thank you, mate. I really appreciate your kind words!
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That’s fantastic! Completely agree with you re the pangolin (this is a subject near to my own heart so I’ll refrain from writing a ten page rant, suffice to say “well done” to your dad, a very good cause, and a big happy birthday to him as well). Beautifully painted as well of course!
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Thank you, mate! I’m really glad to hear that you know of pangolins and feel the same way about their plight. Its further proof that you’re one of the good ones 🙂
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Quite a varied update, Jeff, so I’ve taken my time going through it!
The pangolin is excellent! 🙂 The base really does look good as well! A very nice present for your dad to be sure. A brilliant sculpt by Dave and a brilliant paint job by yourself!
If I was to be honest, I’d never be able to judge minis in a competition! Once the standard is above a certain level I can’t really distinguish and it would end up with thinking “do I like the colours” and “do I like the mini itself”. So, at the end of the day, it’s up to someone judging your work from their own viewpoint and it’s not personal (you need to be more like me maybe – I’m too dumb to be offended most of the time ;-)). Personally, Minerva is to me probably my favourite of everything I’ve seen you paint! I can also see the point of giving just about everyone an award to make people feel their efforts have been appreciated. And, of course, you are your harshest critic! Based on your comments on jealousy I’m assuming I should be criticising you for being able to paint better than me but if I did that I’d be criticising every blog I read, rather than enjoying them (which I do). I’ve seen jealousy in action first hand and it’s not nice.
I know what you mean about being introverted as well. It took me years at work to gradually develop the self-confidence to learn to challenge things. I can remember attending meetings as a graduate engineer and thinking “well that doesn’t sound right to me but I can’t challenge this knowledgeable person” only to find out after the meetings that other people thought the same way as me.
As for historical wargamers, not all of them are nit-pickers! I’m like you and would buy something if I like it – in fact there are no doubt small inaccuracies in a lot of models that we may never notice or be aware of. And I read far more fantasy and sci-fi wargaming blogs than I do historical because I like seeing other peoples models. As far as nit-picking at work is concerned I’ve had to do that officially when it’s been related to product safety! Some people don’t agree with their pet projects being “criticised” but that’s never stopped me from using my training and experience to tell ‘em when something needs re-evaluating. I’m not an expert by any means but I consider that I usually know enough to know that I don’t know enough. But some people always consider that they must be right!
Anyway, keep up with the painting and blogging but, above all, enjoy your hobby!
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Thank you for giving it a read, John. I was a bit all over the place to be sure.
Thank you for your kind words on the pangolin. I’m glad you like the final results!
I think being a judge would be hard and it is a thankless job. You can’t make hundreds of decisions about entries and keep everyone happy. While I wouldn’t mind knowing more about why Minerva got Silver, I can’t fault their decision too much. I still really like her and am proud of her. I’ll happily show her off in my house for many years to come, I’m sure. You are spot-on about jealousy. Its easy to fall into that trap and social media makes it worse too but that’s a whole different topic that could probably be a post all on its own.
I’m glad to hear I’m not the only introvert in our blogging community as well. It is hard to speak up and I will do it when its necessary but I find that I don’t like to put a lot of energy into putting myself out there when it comes to making friends in “real life” because about 8 or 9 times out of 10, I’m disappointed by the result, unfortunately. Again, that is going far afield from our hobby so I’ll leave it there!
There are definitely good people in the historical side of the hobby and I think its a shame that a few people are so vocal about correcting mistakes. I do think that some people do a poor job of sharing information on historical inaccuracies too. A gentle hand never goes amiss, you could say. That is something you manage very well and your politeness is always appreciated! I do think one day I will paint some historical miniatures but for now, I still find it a bit intimidating and I’m not sure how to make sure that I don’t offend any of the “purists” out there. I guess sticking to what you know well is helpful in that regard.
And no worries about the hobby. I will have fun and get my vindication along the way, I imagine 🙂
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As with your post I’ll start with the positive, the Pangolin is excellent, stunning work on the face it’s sublime, I’m sure your dad will appreciate all your hard work in bringing this model to life mate, and a good challenge for your painting journey.
Onto the negative side, competitions can be a positive, and a negative all at the same time, yes you can put in 500 hours on a single model, and then someone who put’s in only 50 hours wins the trophy, why because art is subjective, what one person likes another may loathe, let me give you an example, Jackson Pollack or Picasso are well renowned in the art world, personally I can’t stand there work, am I right or wrong neither, as that is my personal taste. This is the biggest thing in competitions, the judges are human, and they will have their own tastes on what is good or not.
Minerva, was your first go at a 75mm model, and painting larger models, is a whole new skill set, and you learned a lot from this one, yes you have had a few set backs on the busts, but now is the time to pick yourself up, and decide what’s next, and use all the knowledge you’ve already learnt from your trial and error (you learn more from mistakes by the way) and find the next project, find what really speaks to you, as that is a big part of any project, enthusiasm for the subject.
Not all Historical people are like that, John is a prime example, he has a vast knowledge on multiple wars and the participating armies, but I wouldn’t call him a button counter, as he will adapt models from other theatres of war to suit what he is looking for.
Last one I promise, there are a lot of cliques in the competition painting scene, and they can be downright mean about other peoples work with their comments, especially if that person places above them, but as I said earlier it’s all subjective to a persons point of view. Just remember at the end of the day this is a hobby, and you should be enjoying your part in it, not bringing in more stress into a part of life that is supposed to be fun !
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Thank you for the kind words, Dave, and for all the green stuff as well! 😀 I think my Dad, who shares your namesake, will like it too.
You described painting competitions well. I would urge anyone painting to avoid thinking about their entries in terms of hours spent and just enjoy painting them as well as they possibly can. That is my approach and it has mostly served me well. I certainly have avoided the kind of meltdowns that I mentioned in this post, if nothing else.
I agree with you on Minerva and I am still proud of her, much like I still really like the stuff I entered at Golden Demon. It is a shame that hobbying hasn’t gone as well as I would like this year with the failed busts and then painting stuff for two games I don’t like but that’s the way it goes sometimes. I’m contemplating the next display project right now and will resume the journey of getting better at larger scale miniatures in fairly short order. This year’s show gave me plenty of motivation to do that, even if I don’t think it was intended.
Thankfully only a small number of historical fans are that bad but it is something you see that can be both grating and a turn-off from that side of the hobby sadly. If only we had a few more John’s to balance it out!
Unfortunately, I agree with you on cliques. I feel like Golden Demon has that but even worse but I’ve only entered once so maybe I’m wrong. No matter where it is, I’m on the outside of that stuff by choice and I don’t want to bring other people down in the hobby either. As you said, some people paint things that I don’t really think are that great but we all have different taste and that’s okay. The best thing you can do is focus on getting better and trying to learn new things which is what I will do for the foreseeable future. Onwards and upwards, as they say!
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well the giant pangolin looks s as amazing to me. I hope he likes it. Great job.
sorry the painting competition wasn’t as fun as you hoped. I feel any event that is judged (painting, figure skating) suffers from the feelings of I ought to have scored higher more easily than one that are scored (tournament, baseball). It’s not so much because it’s a competition but bc do much of it is based in subjective tastes and intangible qualities.
though I applaud you for trying out new techniques instead of the old stand bys. In the long term, that breadth will only improve the overall ability.
button counters are a small vocal minority in historical gammers.
I once played with a guy who was new to historicals and WWII and showed up with his tanks painted blue. I of course said something along the lines of “these are your tanks so do what you want but German tanks were not blue but this kinda yellow color.” He was cool with it. He only got exasperated when he was told it for the 10 time that night bc everyone who wandered up to the table said “why are those tanks blue. They weren’t blue.”
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Thank you for the kind words as always! It was a bummer that this year’s event wasn’t as good for me personally as the previous. There is a saying that I can’t remember exactly but the spirit of it is: “Don’t enter into a painting competition unless you can handle any result you might get” and I think maybe I should have heeded that in hindsight. If I did my very best, then I think I would have accepted the results even more than I did, if that makes any sense.
Regardless, I think you’d be a fun painting judge to shadow. I can only imagine what kind of comments you’d utter while doing your job haha!
That is a funny but also kind of discouraging story. I hope that didn’t put him off the hobby! I can’t help but think of how the same situation would be received in LOTR. If you painted a Uruk-Hai and didn’t get the reddish-brown skin tone right, how would you feel if everyone at a tournament told you that? You wouldn’t feel like people wanted you to participate in that community, in addition to thinking that everyone was a little petty. Obviously, that is very unlikely to happen but if its absurd in LOTR, why would it be okay for some in historicals? I guess accuracy trumps all for some people but even with that, I think keeping criticism to yourself would go a long way towards making new people want to stick around.
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This was a really great post Jeff. For one, I can hardly think of a more beautiful gift for your father. A truly beautiful piece that you’ve painted exquisitely.
As for the painting competition, you have some good insights on it. I absolutely love your Hobbit / wolf diorama. It really captures Tolkien’s writing and creations beautifully and so flavourfully.
You are easily and most definitely a Gold level painter, but events like this with just 2 of your entries are always just snapshots in time and space. There could be all kinds of reasons for why you got Silver this year, but that doesn’t mean that your skills have suddenly downgraded, it just means that for whatever reason based on these 2 entries at this moment in time at that space in time a few people made a certain judgment.
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You’re too kind and thank you for reading it! I’m a week away from giving my Dad his gift so we’ll see what he thinks very soon.
I also appreciate your thoughts on the competition. You make several good points and you’re probably more right about it than the way that I chose to take receiving silver. Entering in painting competitions is a real ego check and it certainly took me down a notch! 🙂
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A huge post with really three aspects to discuss (or two, actually!)
Love the Pangolin – the paint has come up amazinglky well, and being a commission from Dave also makes it even more special as a totally unique piece. I mean, technically every miniature we all paint are unique pieces due to our unique paintjobs, but this is obviously a big step beyond that with a wonderful unique sculpt from Dave and a paintjob that enhances it even more. It’s also one big impressive model! The scale shots really show how big it is, which is something that would be totally missed if they were not there!
On historicals – there’s really two aspects to it, and I can appreciate both. The “rivet counters” (as they’re called) actually do provide a valuable “service” of sorts in that they point out things that are inaccurate or one-offs or the like. Without them pointing things out, you can end up with really inaccurate things happening or being shown/depicted that start to be taken as accurate or truth.
A good example would be Assassins Creed Shadows – even without discussing Yasuke at all, they showed videos featuring Chinese architecture in Feudal Japan, the wrong plants for the season depicted, banners cut incorrectly, non-historical banners taken from renenactors… and so on – all while touting their “historical accuracy” in their promo media.
The problem occurs in the intersection between “I’m making a cool thing” and “I’m being accurate to history” – the intent of the artists or creators and how they present their work – and then how those with knowledge discuss those inaccuracies with others. Awhile back, I had a guy email me to tell me that I’d gotten the pattern used on these tanks wrong, the issue with the reference photo, and what happened around all of that.
https://azazelx.com/2022/04/19/battlefront-15mm-m4a1-sherman-armoured-squadron-reinforcements-british-8th-army-desert-rats-for-flames-of-war/
He worded it in a “nice work, but…” manner that came across as a bit ..I’ll say (not as an insult) autistic and said I can email him for the right patterns. If I were painting my FoW stuff as 100% accurate, then I’d have followed up and repainted, but since I’m using them as toy tanks on the table, I’m good with these tanks being a bit different and distinctive, if not entirely accurate.
As for the Golden Demon and painting competitions in general… this is what made me take so long to comment on this post, but I think you’re approaching it from a fundamentally wrong starting place, which leads you down a similar path to people like Zumitko.
I won’t go into it in typed form, since I don’t want it to come across as an attack whne it absoluitely is not – if we ever catch up for a chat on Discord or something like that I’d love to discuss it as it’s the sort of thing that’s more easily communicated with the back and forth of a verbal conversation. 🙂
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Thanks for the kind words on the pangolin! Dave definitely deserves his plaudits as well because it was fairly straightforward to paint thanks to his sculpting work.
I can certainly see where you’re coming from on Historical miniatures and there are great opportunities where button counters’ knowledge can be invaluable. For me, it is still a strong turn off towards painting historical miniatures but they might be just as glad to not have me after this post to be fair! 🙂
We can certainly chat on Discord or something similar in the future as well. I welcome constructive criticisms when I can get it and ultimately, my experience this year will make me a better painter too even if it was a bit like having to eat your vegetables this time around 🙂
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Firstly, I love that pangolin, it’s turned out way better than I could have expected considering that real pangolins tend to have rather drab colouration. I thought that the size contrast with Nuka Girl was also fun and wondered if the pangolin could make an appearance as a really huge critter in one of your Fallout games before heading off to your Dad?
Getting that kind of feedback in your competition can be tough, especially in something that is somewhat subjective. Is there a clear rubric about what the judges are looking for in these competitions? Or can you get marked down just because your work isn’t to their taste? Anyway I definitely agree that the best revenge is a life lived well so I look forward to admiring whatever you’re inspired to work on next.
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Cheers, mate! I had to do some research and find the most visually appealing pangolin for this project, truthfully. I’m glad you like the scale comparison pictures too. They were fun for me to shoot.
There is a rubric though I don’t get to see the scores that I received. It seems to me like very few painting competitions actually share scores and feedback with the participants. I can certainly see where that might just spark more debate for the judges but even still, I’d like to see where the judges thought I could improve. My understanding is that they used a system where there were four judges and they dropped the lowest score this year so I don’t think there was a strong bias against me on their part.
I’ve got plans and ideas for how to improve and go back and get another gold in the nearish future so I will certainly try and get some revenge 🙂
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